Health care, bank stocks lead stock market lower

NEW YORK (AP) — Health care stocks tumbled Thursday after the Supreme Court upheld most of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, falling along with major banks as Wall Street worried about the European debt crisis and the sluggish U.S. economy.

It had already been a bad morning for the market, which was dragged down sharply by news about regulatory investigations at Barclays, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and others.

Then, the high court upheld a key provision of the health care law, and the losses accelerated.

Although health care and finance dominated the headlines, the market's concerns were more widespread, stretching to numerous types of companies and economic data.

The Commerce Department said the American economy expanded at a 1.9 percent annual rate in the first quarter, a weak pace that isn't expected to pick up. The government also reported that unemployment applications fell last week, but only slightly, and analysts worried that the claims are still too high to indicate a recovery.

News Corp, parent of the Wall Street Journal and the 20th Century Fox movie studio, fell after it said it planned to split into two companies. Family Dollar declined after reporting that it missed analysts' estimates for revenue and profits.

Major indexes in France, Britain, Germany and Greece were down as the European Union met in Brussels. Leaders are trying to hammer out how to deal with the weakest countries, like Greece and Spain, but many of the previous meetings have failed to produce concrete plans.

"The first one thousand summits, I was pretty excited," deadpanned Jeff Sica, president and chief investment officer of SICA Wealth Management in Morristown, N.J.

David Lefkowitz, senior equity strategist at UBS wealth management research in New York, was also watching Europe more than the health care ruling or the bank probes. Health insurance companies make up only about 1 percent of the Standard & Poor's 500, he said.

And even concerns about the indirect effects of the health care law — like whether it will cause small businesses to curb hiring — can get overblown, he said. The much bigger cost of hiring is still salaries.

In the U.S., the Dow Jones industrial average fell throughout the morning. It was already down about 100 points by 10 a.m., 30 minutes into trading and just before the Supreme Court released its decision. It fell as much as 165 points later in the morning, then recovered some of those losses.

By 1 p.m., it was down 128 points, or about 1 percent, to 12,499. Thursday could be the Dow's second triple-digit loss this week.

The S&P 500 fell 13 points to 1,318. The Nasdaq composite index fell 43 points to 2,833.

JPMorgan was down 4.5 percent, more than any other company in the Dow index of 30 stocks. The New York Times reported early Thursday that a trading loss there, previously estimated at about $2 billion, could top $9 billion. JPMorgan's stock has lost 14 percent since then, compared to 3 percent for the Dow.

The U.S.-listed shares of Barclays plunged 15 percent. Regulators in the U.S. and the U.K. on Wednesday announced that the British bank would settle accusations that it had manipulated international interest rates, which are important because they affect how much consumers pay on mortgages and other loans.

On Thursday, banking stocks got another dose of unwelcome news when British regulators announced that their investigation had expanded to Citigroup, Britain's HSBC, Switzerland's UBS and the Royal Bank of Scotland'.

Financial stocks fell more than any of the other nine industry groups on the S&P 500, losing 1.7 percent in the afternoon.

Health care stocks fell 1 percent, led by sharp declines in insurers like UnitedHealth Group, WellPoint and Aetna.

But hospitals had the opposite reaction, with stocks rising notably at Hospital Corp. of America and Community Health Systems.

The reasons for the disparity weren't clear cut.

The health care law will require all Americans to carry insurance. So for hospitals and related industries, like companies that make surgical instruments or lab equipment, that can mean more customers.

It also means more customers for insurance companies. But some of those customers won't be as profitable as the companies might like, such as those who are already sick.

Even with the ruling in hand, there's plenty of uncertainty overhanging the issue. Small businesses aren't sure how much money to set aside now that more of them will be required to insure their employees. The health care law also doesn't address the overhanging problem of looming deficits in Medicare.

"It's not like we're at the end of the road here," said Gerard Wedig, a health care economist at the University of Rochester, "where our health care problems are solved."

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Haggling for health care: Ways to lower your bills

Paying for a medical service is a lot less like shopping in a department store and a lot more like buying a car, in that the sticker prices are highly subjective.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- With health care costs on the rise, consumers are finding that their best defense against sky-high bills is bargaining for a better rate.

Increasingly medical providers are willing to negotiate with patients on the cost of care, particularly when the alternative is the risk of not getting paid at all.

Shane Fischer got 50% knocked off of his $3,000 hospital bill from a four-day hospital stay following a kidney failure last year. After initially dodging the bill for two months, Fischer decided to try a different tactic.

"I asked a collection agent from the hospital if she could give me a discount for paying in full and she offered me a 50% reduction in my bill if I paid it over the phone," he said. "So, I gave her my credit card and saved $1,500."

Had he not been able to haggle the price down, Fischer would have been on the hook for the whole amount because it was still shy of his $5,000 annual deductible. "I would have had to borrow the money from my parents," he said.

High out-of-pocket costs are increasingly common as health insurance coverage, both private policies and employer-supplied coverage, trends toward higher deductibles and co-pays.

As of last year, 38 million Americans were enrolled in a health plan with a deductible of at least $1,000 for individuals and $2,000 for families, nearly double the amount of people who had this type of high-deductible coverage six years ago, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute.

"The era of health insurance covering everything is disappearing," said John Santa, director of the Consumer Reports Health Ratings Center, a research arm of Consumer Reports. "All of us are going to need to evaluate what role we can play in negotiating about our health care and its cost."

For those willing to strike a deal, here's how to bring those health care expenses down.

"If you go in and ask a doctor or hospital how much something costs, they are going to tell you their highest price," Santa said. To negotiate a much lower price "you have to ask."

If you are uninsured or your insurance doesn't cover a procedure, ask if the medical provider would be willing to do it for the same price they would get reimbursed for from an insurance company or Medicare. That could knock about 30% to 40% off of the cost and most doctors and hospitals are open to doing that, he said.

To that end, Jeffery Rice, a Nashville-based MD, created the "Health Care Blue Book" to help consumers figure out the true cost of a treatment so they can better negotiate deals with providers.

The "Health Care Blue Book" lists the "fair price" for medical claims, which is what providers would typically accept from insurance companies as payment in full, and is usually less than what a patient gets billed.

Rice said it's important for consumers to shop around. Throughout the health care system, prices for hospital visits, specialists and pharmaceuticals can vary greatly. Even within the same community, prices for identical medical services, like an MRI, can vary by 500% or more, so it's important to comparison shop before picking a provider, he said.

When seeking to negotiate, it's sometimes better to go to an out-of-network doctor because they are less constrained by the terms of their health insurance plan and more willing to strike a deal, he said.

Also, know what you don't need. Patients can ask their primary care physician for advice on preoperative or postoperative tests that they may be able to skip. For example, a healthy patient may be able to opt out of a panel of blood tests that would boost the bill substantially, Santa said.

Or, ask a hospital administrator or someone in the doctor's billing office if there are other discounts or assistance available depending on a payment plan. You can also ask if they will slash the price if you agree to pay up front.

That saved Harriet Cohen $1,800 last year. Cohen was hit with a bill for $2,700 after a colonoscopy. "My crappy insurance wouldn't pay for it because of my high deductible," she explained. But the hospital offered to accept $900 for the examination if she agreed to pay on the day of her appointment, which she gladly did.

Patients can also consider hiring a health care advocate. Advocates negotiate with a medical provider on your behalf, but most charge a percentage of the savings as their fee which can defeat the purpose, Rice said.

Kevin Flynn, a spokesman for HealthCare Advocates, a Philadelphia-based provider, said most advocates charge a fee of about 30% but clients can generally expect their bill to be cut by 40% to 60% in return.

For those without any health insurance at all, Rice recommends asking for a "self-pay" discount, in addition to a payment plan that won't charge any interest.

That's already the rule at nonprofit hospitals nationwide, thanks to the Affordable Care Act. As a result of the law, those who are eligible for financial assistance can no longer be charged more for their hospital care than those who have insurance, a practice that used to happen quite frequently, according to Cheryl Fish-Parcham, deputy director of health policy for the advocacy group Families USA. Many of the act's other provisions don't take effect until 2014, but the limits on hospital pricing are already in place and will help many people avoid mounting medical debts, she said.

"The hospital would rather have some portion paid rather than none at all," said Santa. 

First Published: April 6, 2012: 11:02 AM ET

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Haggling for health care: Ways to lower your bill

Paying for a medical service is a lot less like shopping in a department store and a lot more like buying a car, in that the sticker prices are highly subjective.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- With health care costs on the rise, consumers are finding that their best defense against sky-high bills is bargaining for a better rate.

Increasingly medical providers are willing to negotiate with patients on the cost of care, particularly when the alternative is the risk of not getting paid at all.

Shane Fischer got 50% knocked off of his $3,000 hospital bill from a four-day hospital stay following a kidney failure last year. After initially dodging the bill for two months, Fischer decided to try a different tactic.

"I asked a collection agent from the hospital if she could give me a discount for paying in full and she offered me a 50% reduction in my bill if I paid it over the phone," he said. "So, I gave her my credit card and saved $1,500."

Had he not been able to haggle the price down, Fischer would have been on the hook for the whole amount because it was still shy of his $5,000 annual deductible. "I would have had to borrow the money from my parents," he said.

High out-of-pocket costs are increasingly common as health insurance coverage, both private policies and employer-supplied coverage, trends toward higher deductibles and co-pays.

As of last year, 38 million Americans were enrolled in a health plan with a deductible of at least $1,000 for individuals and $2,000 for families, nearly double the amount of people who had this type of high-deductible coverage six years ago, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute.

"The era of health insurance covering everything is disappearing," said John Santa, director of the Consumer Reports Health Ratings Center, a research arm of Consumer Reports. "All of us are going to need to evaluate what role we can play in negotiating about our health care and its cost."

For those willing to strike a deal, here's how to bring those health care expenses down.

"If you go in and ask a doctor or hospital how much something costs, they are going to tell you their highest price," Santa said. To negotiate a much lower price "you have to ask."

If you are uninsured or your insurance doesn't cover a procedure, ask if the medical provider would be willing to do it for the same price they would get reimbursed for from an insurance company or Medicare. That could knock about 30% to 40% off of the cost and most doctors and hospitals are open to doing that, he said.

To that end, Jeffery Rice, a Nashville-based MD, created the "Health Care Blue Book" to help consumers figure out the true cost of a treatment so they can better negotiate deals with providers.

The "Health Care Blue Book" lists the "fair price" for medical claims, which is what providers would typically accept from insurance companies as payment in full, and is usually less than what a patient gets billed.

Rice said it's important for consumers to shop around. Throughout the health care system, prices for hospital visits, specialists and pharmaceuticals can vary greatly. Even within the same community, prices for identical medical services, like an MRI, can vary by 500% or more, so it's important to comparison shop before picking a provider, he said.

When seeking to negotiate, it's sometimes better to go to an out-of-network doctor because they are less constrained by the terms of their health insurance plan and more willing to strike a deal, he said.

Also, know what you don't need. Patients can ask their primary care physician for advice on preoperative or postoperative tests that they may be able to skip. For example, a healthy patient may be able to opt out of a panel of blood tests that would boost the bill substantially, Santa said.

Or, ask a hospital administrator or someone in the doctor's billing office if there are other discounts or assistance available depending on a payment plan. You can also ask if they will slash the price if you agree to pay up front.

That saved Harriet Cohen $1,800 last year. Cohen was hit with a bill for $2,700 after a colonoscopy. "My crappy insurance wouldn't pay for it because of my high deductible," she explained. But the hospital offered to accept $900 for the examination if she agreed to pay on the day of her appointment, which she gladly did.

Patients can also consider hiring a health care advocate. Advocates negotiate with a medical provider on your behalf, but most charge a percentage of the savings as their fee which can defeat the purpose, Rice said.

Kevin Flynn, a spokesman for HealthCare Advocates, a Philadelphia-based provider, said most advocates charge a fee of about 30% but clients can generally expect their bill to be cut by 40% to 60% in return.

For those without any health insurance at all, Rice recommends asking for a "self-pay" discount, in addition to a payment plan that won't charge any interest.

That's already the rule at nonprofit hospitals nationwide, thanks to the Affordable Care Act. As a result of the law, those who are eligible for financial assistance can no longer be charged more for their hospital care than those who have insurance, a practice that used to happen quite frequently, according to Cheryl Fish-Parcham, deputy director of health policy for the advocacy group Families USA. Many of the act's other provisions don't take effect until 2014, but the limits on hospital pricing are already in place and will help many people avoid mounting medical debts, she said.

"The hospital would rather have some portion paid rather than none at all," said Santa. 

First Published: April 6, 2012: 11:02 AM ET

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